Pinguicula apuana or not?

[jp95]

hi,

I had a pinguicula apuana that bloomed a few years ago and I harvested seeds that I sowed.
I unfortunately mixed the labels, and now I have an unidentified ping pot and I think
this could be P.apuana
The flowers of the mother plant were a little different, with a little white patch but
I saw in the documents on this species (pinguicula of the temperate North) that there is great variability.
Do you think this species can be pinguicula apuana, here are the picture of the flower.

 

 

thanks

 

jp95

[Robert Seuntjens]

Nice Pictures! Great Color.

 

Greetings

Robert

[Oliver G.]

Variability of the flowers in P. apuana is bigger compared to other species. But to me your corolla looks somewhat to large and the angle of the petals to open. What size does the flower have? On the picture it looks that the flower is closer to P. grandiflora, maybe this is a hybrid with P. grandiflora. The white parallel traits of the corolla are not typical for P. apuana.

[jp95]

Thank you very much for you reply.
here is the size of the flower

 

 

 

it is quite possible that it is a hybrid of p.apuana or a form of p.corsica with blue flower
and p.grandifolia. On the label i marked "P.Corsica".
When I fertilized the flowers I had to use a small piece of wood which was used to fertilize also p.grandiflora
just before.

 

here are the photos of the flower of the mother plant (the true p.apuana) bought at bestcarnivorousplants in 2016, unfortunately
i lost it a few time after i received it and if this plant is not p.apuana, which is a good theorie,
I have no more.

 

 

 

 

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jp95

[Sonja Schweitzer]

Perfect pics! Even better than the original to identify a species!

[Oliver G.]

The latter photos do correspond to P. apuana. I am sure that there is P. grandiflora in your hybrid. I doubt that this is a cross with P. corsica, as  P. corsica is diploid (chromosomes 2n = 16),  only P. sehuensis is the same number. P. grandiflora is tetraploid (2n = 32 chromosomes), the same for P. apuana.

[jp95]

Thank for your answer,

I agree with you, it must have P.grandiflora in this hybrid.

The bad news it's i have not p.apuana

 

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jp95

 

 

[jeff72]

Bonjour

 

for me no morphological characteristics of P.apuana  or  P.corsica f caerulescens ( note that the flowers of P.apuana are not so variable)

see here to morphologie: http://fern72.free.fr/siteweb/donnees-monographie/apuana.html#

beautiful board to giulio PANDELI  'in situ'

 

are you sure that your mother plant is a P.apuana, the lower central lobe seems to me identical to the lower laterals, in the morphology of P.apuana the central lobe always moves longer than the lateral ones

 

 I think it is just a grandiflora subsp grandiflora .

 

can we see the sepal?

jeff

 

Bearbeitet 5. April 2020 von jeff72

[jp95]

hi,

 

yes it could be a form of  grandiflora there are so much form of these plant, it could be possible.

 

jp95

[jeff72]

for me it is the type form  P.grandiflora subsp grandiflora